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Logan and Jordan Sekulow are joined by Will Haynes to discuss a thwarted terror plot in the UK.
Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. We've got some breaking news coming out of the United Kingdom. A few different incidents that have happened over the last few days, but this is a big one. Another very interesting story you need to be following of what's happening in the Western world. You may have heard of the five British men in London that were arrested for a terror bomb plot. Guess what? Though they clearly have some pretty strict regulations and strict rules, they have all been released on bail. This is happening right now. We need to give people a little background of who these suspects are and what is going on with this investigation.
Will: These were five men that are British nationals. They were in custody over a plot that they suspect was targeting Royal Air Force Base Fairford. That is essentially a base that the United States has been using as a staging base as well to conduct the operations against Iran. We know that Iran had previously said no base is safe, so they are probing the link of a potential Iran nexus. However, this was where a local farmer noticed three suspicious vehicles around 12:45 AM and called in a tip. He said, "Hey, these vehicles don't look like they're supposed to be here, and they're headed towards the Air Force base." What happens? They arrest these five individuals under the UK's Explosive Act and the Terrorism Act. However, they are being and have been released on bail while they are under investigation. Don't worry, the UK says they've got great restrictions monitoring them, so I assume that they will not try to flee or carry out their terror further.
Logan Sekulow: We'll find out another story that has happened in the UK where, of course, that wasn't the case. We'll break that down in the next segment. It's a big issue that's happening around the world, specifically in the Western world in general, not just in the United Kingdom. As they said, the men are no longer in custody. An assistant commissioner to New Scotland Yard said they can confirm the following extensive interviews and inquiries: the five men who were arrested are being released on police bail this afternoon. They said, but to be very clear, this does not mean the investigation is over. Now, Tehran and Iran said, "Hey, we had nothing to do with this. How dare you say we have something to do with this." This is another spin coming out of Iran. What do you think when you hear about these situations? Of course, it has to do with strategic locations that America has military operations in partnership with the UK in our support of Israel. So again, it ties all back around. We're going to find out a lot more of this information as it breaks. I think it's always important to keep our eyes on what's happening, not just in the United States of America, because really this is as much a planned attack on the United States military as it is an isolated RAF incident.
Will: That's right. They took the steps also to cordon off the area. They had people evacuated from their homes as they investigated the vehicles that the men were in, suspecting they could have been vehicle explosive devices. Now, it seems like the people have been able to return to their homes, but they still have a heightened protection around this RAF base as they look forward.
Logan Sekulow: Thank this farmer, for sure. She did a great job in making sure that people were informed about this kind of situation. Again, it's one of those "see something, say something" moments that sometimes you don't think has real consequences. Well, here is one that absolutely did. Once again, phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We'll break that down as well as a couple more incidents coming out of the United Kingdom and how you can get involved as well at ACLJ.org. My brother Jordan's going to be joining us live from Washington, DC in just a few minutes, so stay tuned for that. Talking about news coming out of the United Kingdom, this suspected terror plot—they stopped these trucks and vans full of explosives. What else were you planning on doing as they were heading towards an RAF base that again also stationed Americans? It was an outpost essentially for the operation happening with Iran. We know this and, of course, great success in the sense that you had a farmer who noticed—again, this is outside of Oxford, England, a place Will and I have spent a long time at, been there many times for months on end. Though only an hour or so from the heart of London, there's a lot of farmland between London and Oxford. It's a very chill, very quiet area. Of course, it's an education hub for anyone who's spent time there. It is a lovely place. However, in between, they noticed that there were some trucks or some vans that were suspicious at 1:00 AM. This farmer calls in a tip. They stop these people, they arrest them, they find explosives again headed towards a military base. But now, just a few days later, all of them have been released on bail according to some very strict guidelines allegedly. I think we need to remember how we do things here in America and there needs to be some of that influencing what's going on in the Western world in general, regarding how serious these threats are. We can now also look to another threat that happened in the United Kingdom that has been happening over the last few years. This was from one of the heads of security of Hamas, who was granted not only asylum in the UK but essentially granted a form of citizenship in the United Kingdom. And of course, just a year later, was involved in plotting major terrorist activity.
Will: That's right. This was the bodyguard for the Hamas chief, Ismail Haniyeh, who is no longer a threat to anyone because he was taken out by the Israelis. But this is a very curious story because you look at what happened overnight as well as what they're saying happened here. This was an individual that applied for asylum in the UK and ended up being given permanent residency in the United Kingdom despite them knowing his background, who he was the bodyguard for, for a terrorist group. What happens? He lives there for a while and then plots terror on European Jews and Israelis because that's what Hamas does. I think it shows the entirety of the failed immigration issues that we've seen with the UK that Americans and American leadership have been calling out for a long time. Whether it be the nationals that were arrested over this plot over the weekend or it be them allowing to walk in and freely have reign of the UK—one of the heads of security for Hamas.
Logan Sekulow: He had essentially fallen off their radar. They said he was not a priority anymore because he had been living there for a number of years and seemed to have acclimated to society. But again, when you're talking about what's going on in the last few years, all of a sudden this person starts planning not only terrorist activity, but terrorist activity directed specifically at Jewish and Israeli citizens of the United Kingdom, specifically around Jewish holidays. He was picked up again. We're living in a very strange time here, folks, where this is happening. So much so, I'll be honest, I had conflated these two stories together until this morning when we were prepping the show because I thought certainly there couldn't be two of these terrorist plots that were stopped that happened over the weekend. But no, I was wrong. These are two very different things that are happening, although all have to do with really one pure topic, which is either Israel, Israel's connection to America, or just the Jewish resonance of the United Kingdom. One of the biggest Jewish populations in the Western world would probably be in London and the areas surrounding London and Manchester. There have been thriving Jewish communities there for hundreds and hundreds of years, but they've become the target. We need to call it out when we see it. Again, though, the five who were British nationals—which we don't know a whole lot of information on—over this Iranian bomb plot that they were essentially planning. Iran again says, "No, how dare they? It's insulting to us that you would even consider it." Of course, we heard a lot of that verbiage coming out of the UN when they were over here speaking to Brett Baier or whoever it may be, the President of Iran saying almost a "how dare you" infer that we have any sort of terrorist activity.
Will: That's right. And once again, as you mentioned that Brett Baier interview where it's, "No, we don't want a nuclear weapon and of course our Supreme Leader is able to function. I met with him for six hours the other day." This is the standard Iran playbook. Whether or not it was directly an IRGC plot or whether it's through proxies, the fact is we know Hamas is an Iranian proxy. Therefore, the one here about the European Jews that were being targeted by one of the Hamas bodyguards—yeah, I think you can say it's Iranian-inspired at least, if not directed, because that is the end game for the Iranians: to attack the Western world and to attack Israelis and Jews wherever they find them. You start to think about this as well. There was a report that a migrant caravan is headed towards the United States. We used to hear about these all the time. During the Biden administration, the Department of Homeland Security has said, "We are ready for this." But when you start to think about where the world was even just four years ago—migrant caravans being able to basically just walk into the United States—and those that were stopped were said, "Hey, come back for your court date maybe," and never did. That was how it was operating. The criticism of the US border policy was very similar to the criticism that we see of the border policies of the UK and of much of Europe, as they have allowed unfettered migration from the Middle East just to waltz into the European realm. What happens? You see these types of things start to tick back up. When you start to think also about the world that we've lived in where we haven't, fortunately, seen a bunch of terror attacks that are striking in the heart of some of the best cities in the world—New York, London, Berlin—all these places that you were seeing multiple attempts at Islamic terror, that has been quiet for some time. But don't believe that it will be that way forever. And that's what I think you have to start realizing now. Yes, these policies do have consequences. I'm thankful that a migrant caravan that is headed towards the United States is now met with a policy of, "Hey, we're not going to let just unfettered access to the United States take place." But when you start to see these things rise up again in places like the UK, it won't be long before it starts popping up other places. We know that the regime of Iran has plans in motion all over the world, that they send people and they wait until their appointed time to try and conduct terror on the West.
Logan Sekulow: I want to take a call. Let's go to Kay in Florida. Kay, go ahead.
Kay: Yeah, this just really aggravates me. I mean, where is the common sense in this? I mean, they're telling us, these Arab countries, they're telling us what they're going to do to us. And why is this being allowed? I mean, when they have them, and then to allow known terrorists to be released, who's making the decisions on this?
Logan Sekulow: Well, I have an answer for you. We can actually play a bite. We should do bite one, which is from Lawrence Taylor, head of counter-terrorism policing in the UK.
Lawrence Taylor: I can confirm that following extensive interviews and inquiries, the five men who were arrested are being released on police bail this afternoon. To be very clear, this does not mean that the investigation is over. They are subject to stringent conditions on their movement and contact with others. They absolutely remain under investigation as we explore multiple lines of inquiry.
Logan Sekulow: So, Kay, I don't know who made the direct decision, but that is coming from again, the head of counter-terrorism. You do look at it and go, why? Why after just such a short period of time did they decide, "You know what? Let them go. And yeah, we'll put them under some strict policies here to try to keep them in line." But look, I just think that it is crazy that someone made that decision to just let this go. Again, after this farmer, who was coming home from a party, saw a roadblock right outside of the RAF facility. They were worried that they maybe were wearing suicide vests. They had to strip these people down. It was a big moment here, and again, that hero who stopped this terrorist attack said that the three large white vans were blocking road yards from the RAF Fairford, which again is where US bombers are held. That being said, we're going to keep this conversation going. We've got Jordan joining me in the next segment as well, live from Washington, DC.
Jordan Sekulow: This is a time of year where we're not going to be in Washington, DC as much as we usually are, and that's because of all the campaigning going on. We're in the final stretch of these midterm elections where we've got polls coming out showing some really difficult numbers for conservatives, and just to be honest about it. Now, polling has not been as good in the past as it has been maybe 30 or 40 years ago because of so many people—how difficult it is to actually reach people in a specific state or congressional district. People don't usually pick up the phone on their cell phone from a number they don't necessarily know. Even if it's not like a spam call that shows up, they might get the message and say, "I don't want to do a 30-minute poll." But I mean, we've seen some bizarre polls come out of South Carolina for a statewide race involving the Senate race there. We've seen people—and again, I'm trying not to name names because I don't want to do it off one poll—but we've seen candidates that we are working very closely with who had 20-point leads a month ago, who are now polling with 8-point leads. Now, that's still a significant lead this close to election day, but tapping into exactly what is going on—is it Iran? Is it the economy? Or is it something kind of like Washington, DC is not getting a good sense of? We're actually here today, even though it's the time of year where we would usually be out more in the states, and that's where we'll be for the rest of really this run-up to the midterm elections.
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